Hello

I posted an update recently in the old rapid missile thread on this topic but I assume many of you haven't been watching that so I'm making a new thread for the time being with some updates for 1.1.

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We were looking at a really wide range of options for these systems since the initial reaction was so negative, but over the last few weeks we started seeing more and more people adjust to using them and even start liking them, so, rather than make drastic changes so quickly we want to give it more time and see what happens with usage and feedback over the next couple months. Large changes are still on the table and I won't be finished with this until we address the ammo swapping issue.

Thanks for reading and responding

The old RLML was still OP.

What gives you that idea?https://forums.eveonline.com/themes/ccpEveOnline/pix-trans.png


seriously, I'd love to understand what was so O.P. about them?

also because you tell one post earlier that 2 old ones couldn't braek the tank on a dual rep navy exeq.?

Hmm, good points. And Gypsio also had some good points with the PG.

Caracals weren't the only ships that was strong with the RLML. The Cerb and ScytheFI was beasts as well.

However the new RLML system opens up for new possibilities and interesting gameplay so I still think they shouldn't trash it. Instead they should work on bringing the HAM and HML back in line again.

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Responding to CCP Rise's challenge.
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PROBLEM:
1. RLMLs are designed to be an anti-frigate weapon on a missile cruiser (the reasons for why we would want such a thing are for another discussion).
2. Giving a weapon the same EXP radius and velocity as a light missile launcher but higher DPS, along with lower fitting requirements than HMLs (a crucial point) begins to obsolete medium sized missile systems, since it gives RLML-fitted ships the opportunity to fit stronger-than-designed tanks while murdering smaller ships and damaging larger ships very effectively.
3. Making it into a burst weapon enrages the player base (bad commercial move).

SOLUTION:
a. Give RLMLs exactly the same damage and application stats as light missile launchers, with exactly the same capacity and damage multipliers, flight times etc etc.
b. Make them "medium weapons" so that they benefit from the bonuses on medium hulls only.
c. Give them the same fitting requirements as heavy missile launchers.

SYNOPSYS:
x. Missile cruisers can now become effective anti-support cruisers without going beyond their initial design in terms of power projection and tank.
y. A cruiser fitted for anti-support will be good at it, but not so good for tackling another cruiser or larger - desirable.
z. Calm restored, [all] players happy, CCP revenues safeguarded.

Yes, that means turret users actually have to do something to get damage on target (mitigating transversal), where missile pilots just have to avoid getting caught. We have to add TE or TC to get fall-off at a reasonable distance, missiles do not. Missile users just add BCU's and thats it. Then complain that their hams or heavy missiles apply for ****.

You want max tank and gank, then complain when missiles hit poorly. Yes, heavy missiles and hams don't apply max damage to FRIGATES. Thats what RLML are for. Just like medium turrets don't track frigates well (unless the frig pilot is stupid and burns straight towards you).

With 2 webs, thats it, HML can apply max damage with fury ammo to a ScyFI. So your daredevil web would be adequate for HML against a cruiser.

With HAMs, web/scram apply very close to max DPS, maybe 1-2% drop. So, if your issue is with the caracal, then start saying you want it bufffed. And stop whining about RLML/HAMs.

Its called a huginn/rapier. If you're in a missile gang its wise to bring one. Run some graphs with double web against a cruiser and heavies. You get all dps on target.

I know heavies and hams don't do full damage to a frig, that's the point. If that were the case all your weapon systems would be like rlml in application.

you quite plainly have no idea what you're talking about. RLMLs used to be death incarnate against Frigates, and they're still pretty damn effective in numbers.

but then what would someone who fits their tengus like http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21423348 know about how to effectively use rlmls xD

The best solution woudl be what one guy suggested. To reload full set of missiles.. 35 seconds. To replace 1 missile only (U used only 1 before reload) you spend 35/20 seconds... in other words.. time of reload linear to the ammount that need to be reloaded.